Does anyone have an inkling why the Labour party in Wandsworth have not proposed a motion to the Council in support of a People's Vote? Several other borough Labour party's have done this and you would have thought that Wandsworth with its massive majority for Remain would have been one of the first places to jump on board.
Also you would have thought there would be a chance of the motion passing because I can't believe every Tory Councillor would be against the idea.
I'm not necessarily advocating that Labour should do this as I'm not 100% convinced the People's Vote is the way to go but it does seem odd that it isn't being promoted at the local level.
Alan Harper ● 940d16 Comments
Labour have really dodged a bullet today as it was widely expected that Tom Watson would have been booed and heckled in the conference. This would have been a dreadful look as he has been the most prominent supporter of the party adopting a Remain platform and a relatively balanced voice on the anti-Semitism controversy.
Tony Church ● 596d
Keir Starmer's interview in the Guardian shows that positions are hardening over this matter. The leadership may be trying to sideline him but it is hard to counter his argument. Even if a deal is reached with the Conservatives, 150 Labour MPs will vote against it unless it is put to a confirmatory vote.
Barry Elms ● 730d
The apparent ambiguity of Labour's position locally has been removed judging by this article currently on the front page. However, somebody who follows these things in more detail told me that the motion put forward on the second referendum by the party was designed to fail because rather than just being a plain vanilla request for the Council to support holding a new vote it contained lots of extras that prevented any remainer Conservatives voting for it.
Barry Elms ● 793d
I don't know what happens if there is not a general election before the end of the fixed term parliament but presumably a new candidate would need to be selected as the boundaries of the constituency would be quite different.
Tony Church ● 890d
So is the candidate chosen the candidate if the boundaries are redrawn? The scenario in which there is a general election before 2022 seems one of the least likely one. Labour have made it plain that it is their objective to force an election but even with the inevitable collapse of the Brexit deal the Conservatives are unlikely to call an election because they know they have more to lose. The DUP may huff and puff but they are never going to risk a Corbyn-led Labour government so they may exercise a veto over government policy but they won't pull the trigger.
The options are gradually reducing for Theresa May but she would almost certainly opt for a second referendum before an election therefore it will be a different constituency that Fleur Anderson would be contesting. Hopefully Brexit will seem like a bad nightmare by that time.
David Parker ● 896d
In the end they have gone for Fleur Anderson which surprised my friends in the local Labour party. She seems to be a bit of a compromise candidate with Bonnie Craven getting the support of the Corbynistas and Momentum and Candida Jones the candidate of the centrists (or neo-Blairite Red Tories if you prefer!). Fleur Anderson doesn't seem to have had a great deal to say on Brexit and I can't find any reference to her ever calling for a People's Vote.
Tony Church ● 897d
The contest for the next parliamentary candidate is taking place at the moment. According to my friend in the local party the front runner is Bonnie Craven a Corbynist loyalist who has the backing of John McDonnell and a number of other senior party figures on the left. She is prolific on Twitter but doesn't say that much about the people's vote. She appears to be backing the official party line that 'we must respect the result of the referendum' and that a second referendum can only be an option after an election (which then wouldn't be necessary because Labour would negotiate such an amazing deal).
There is concern among a number of long standing party members that putting up a candidate whose views on leaving the EU are ambiguous against a quite popular Tory who gave up a cabinet position over the issue and is a prominent supporter of a second vote will mean that any chance of winning what was always going to be a tight contest will have gone.
Tony Church ● 901d
The chaos that the party are in was typified this week by their Brexit secretary Kier Starmer and the shadow foreign secretary contradicting Jeremy Corbyn's comment in a German newspaper that Brexit can't be stopped. The really sad thing is that it can't be said for sure that they would make a worse job of things than the Tories.
Barry Elms ● 912d
What is the point of Labour supporting the People's Vote? Their leadership don't want the option to remain in the EU to be on the ballot even though the latest poll is suggesting a lead of 8% for this option. Without this option the whole exercise would be pointless.
Carmel Cunningham ● 918d
Hounslow Council voted this week to back a People's Vote. Will that actually make any difference? No it won't.
Gordon Southwell ● 923d
Private Eye was very funny on this recently. In the column that he 'writes' for them Jeremy Corbyn explained that Labour always stands up for persecuted minorities and with 89% of Labour party membership wanting a Peoples Vote it was right that they represent the interests of the small number of people who disagree.
Peter Higgins ● 925d
As I understand it there was no guarantee that all the Labour Councillors would have backed the motion so it would have ended up being an embarrassment to them rather than the Tories. It arguably would have been even worse if it passed with some Conservative councillors supporting and some Labour against.
Tony Church ● 937d
I find it hard to believe there are any Wandsworth Labour Councillors who wouldn't support a second referendum
David Parker ● 938d
Don't agree at all that it would be pointless to propose a motion to the Council. The symbolic importance of a Tory controlled Council supporting a second referendum would have been huge and Wandsworth was the one place in the country where this would have possible. Tony is probably right — the reason it wasn't done was because of internal disagreement within the Labour group.
Alan Harper ● 939d
The most obvious explanation is that there isn't majority support for the People's Vote in the Labour party in Wandsworth. Enough of the Councillors must support the position of the leadership which is to avoid talking about Brexit if at all possible and certainly to not have a coherent position on the matter.
Tony Church ● 939d